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A girl told her father she’d been raped. His response says a lot.

My friend Bill just called me to say his daughter had been raped by a bloke she met on Tinder.

He told me his first response, which he bitterly regretted, was to say “But I told you not to go on that site, it’s not safe”.

Then I told a really close male friend, Alex, and he said “Well, that’s what I would have said too – why on earth did she put herself at risk?”.

Alex argued that’s a normal father’s response of ejaculatory fright and fury when his daughter’s been hurt. I couldn’t believe his insensitivity.

I thought it would rain further blows on a woman who’d already been violated. This time, from her father, saying it’s her fault. And that it would have perpetuated the same complacent acceptance that this is a norm that can’t be changed – men are ‘animals’ whose behaviour is out of their control, so women have to beware.

What the Tinder app looks like

He disagreed. And thus ensued a terrible fight. He said going on Tinder was akin to walking into a dark alley. I said that was the same unhelpful mansplaining as when a senior Victorian cop warned us women in March “not to walk through parks alone” and to be a “little bit more careful”, after a man stabbed 17-year-old Masa Vukotic to death in a park 500m from her home in broad daylight.

How on earth can anyone, in any shape, manner or form, blame a woman for living her life when it’s a man who has viciously attacked her just for being there? I, and three of my closest women friends, have all been raped or assaulted – one raped by a stranger when she was 8, the others assaulted by men they lived with or knew. How is it our fault? How could we have made ourselves safer? These were crimes committed on us.

I just do not understand how men cannot get it. Even the good men. Why are they so resistant to the facts: women in Australia are under siege from so-called ‘normal’ men.

It’s all over the media and there’s a Royal Commission into Family Violence in process. One in 3 women are attacked physically, and 1 in 5 sexually, in Australia, with the vast majority of attacks by a man they know or their intimate partner. Nearly two women a week are killed by their partner or ex. Violence from our bloke is the main cause of death and injury of women of childbearing age in Australia … more than smoking and obesity combined, or illicit drugs and alcohol combined. Every three hours, a woman is hospitalised because of abuse by an intimate partner. More than half of all murders of women are by their intimate partner or ex.

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So, when we are literally awash in the statistics of men’s violence against women, how can anyone say such stupid, insensitive, ignorant, lazy and harmful things? How can they say women should be more careful?

Do they think we don’t already know we are unsafe? Do they think any woman feels safe in the street, in the park, alone on the beach, on a walking track – just about anywhere? That we don’t already forego the pleasure and freedom that men take for granted to minimise our risk? That we don’t have strategies for avoiding an attacker, every day?

We know we are not safe.

Just where would you good men have us be safer?

If we can’t walk or travel to work or be at work (like 26-year-old high school teacher Stephanie Scott, who popped into school on Easter Sunday this year to prepare teaching notes and was murdered by the male cleaner), just where exactly do we go? Oh that’s right – we stay home.

Stephanie Scott was murdered at her work

Only – yes, that’s right again – home is the riskiest place of all. The men at home are the ones most likely to rape or kill us. The reason these men assault their women is clearly established by international research: it happens when there’s masculine dominance in that society, when men hold negative attitudes towards women, identify with traditional masculinity and male privilege, believe in rigid gender roles and have weak support for gender equality. Australia subscribes to these attitudes.

So, where do we go to be safe? There is no place. Our fathers telling us to avoid the parks and stay off dating sites is just not going to cut it.

And Tinder? Is it a hotbed of perverts and rapists that our daughters should know better than to expose themselves to? No, it is not. It is an app for a mobile device and the most popular dating site for young people in the world. Over 50 million people use it every month in 196 countries in 30 languages, providing 12 million matches a day.

The app works by analysing information from user’s Facebook and Instagram accounts, and suggesting matches to them wherever they are, based on mutual friends, activities and location. Log on, up come a series of photos of likely matches nearby, which you can reject (swipe left) or follow up on (swipe right), meet for coffee or a drink. Most users spend an hour and a half on it daily, delivering over one billion swipes.

An example of a Tinder message. Not nice. At all.

I don’t have the statistics for sexual assault on Tinder compared with intimate partner violence or random assault, so I don’t know if the app attracts would-be rapists. The fact that my friend’s daughter says the bloke who raped her is known to the police and to Tinder is terrifying, in that it suggests a lack of duty of care by both. It suggests that Tinder needs a fail-safe mechanism to keep men with any record of violence against women off dating sites – and automatic links to the cops to ensure such men enter the criminal system.

Notwithstanding the possibility of rapists being attracted to the app, the young women I interviewed for this story overwhelmingly say they find Tinder safer than meeting a random guy at a bar, because Tinder puts the bloke in context and makes him more accountable, through the Facebook and Instagram connections, which you can check. The problem of safety, they say, and the facts support them, is that anywhere women are exposed to men, is potentially unsafe.

The real problem with dating, it seems, is the Australian male attitude that the mere consensual presence of a women entitles him to have sex with her. Tinder compounds the problem only insofar as it ups the numbers; the more men you meet up with, the more likely you’ll come across one who’ll act on his sense of entitlement. It is not where we women go, what we wear, or what we do that puts us at risk. It is men.

It will only start to improve when the first blame after a woman is assaulted is on the man who did it, and the first question on every fathers lips is “ Why are men doing this, and how can we get them to stop?”.

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Here are the comments
  • Astounded

    If someone said to you, “Don’t leave your wallet visible in your locked car, some people will break the window to get it” you would say thanks for the tip and start employing the sensible precaution suggested. No-one would start crying out that it is unfair to be victim blaming, that thieves should be blamed for their lack of self-control not taking the wallet in the first place rather than people having to hide their possessions when they are clearly in the right etc. The suggestion that it was insensitive to suggest women don’t walk alone astounds me, the police want to protect the public, and just like when they suggest we don’t leave our valuables visible in an unattended car, suggesting women may like to walk in pairs is hardly victim blaming, it is a precautionary measure they are passing on in the hopes it will minimise the number of victims they are called to attend in the future.

    • Sofia

      Well said.

    • synique

      Well, to take that analogy a bit further, is that what your first response is to a friend or family member that has had their wallet stolen from their car: “well, I told you not to leave it there.” Surely, it would be more, “omg, let’s call the cops” or “is your car badly damaged? let me help cancel your credit cards”.

      The warnings about Tinder a relevant BEFORE something happens. In this article, the father’s first reaction is absolve his own guilt and responsibility before thinking about his daughter’s situation, which is unthinking and very poor.

    • arc8iablue

      Also, it’s not as if women are leaving their vaginas exposed on the seat of a car….

  • Marc Hill

    There are some idiotic comments on here and they all seem to be extremist views, either sensible views based on facts don’t get published or discussions around these topics have been hi-jacked by the extremists.

    Fact: blaming the victim for whatever reason is disgusting, the person who needs to be blamed is the vile rapist.

    Fact: The vast majority of men try their best to be kind and compassionate (if occasionally thoughtless and too solution-focused) and I refuse to be pseudo-diagnosed as some kind of deviant based purely on having a penis.

  • Rhett Ribushon

    So this chick has used Tindr to get sex from men. She selects a rapist to have sex with. She has sex with him then says she was raped.

    Obviously, the father did not pick up on her alleged rape because there’s not a mark on her

    The father’s predicament is further amplified by chicks like that Rape Liar dragging the mattress around.

    Thank you Em below. An Asian chick jumps into a pit of crocodiles and is ripped to shreds. Should she have been more cautious? A chick jumps into a Polar Bear pit. She was saved. Should she have been more cautious? A small boy falls into a Gorilla pit. The silverback comes over to have a look. He could rip the boy apart with his bare hands. Instead, he touches the boy a few times and gets no response. He then gently moves the boy. Keepers were then able to rescue the boy.

    • Nightowl223

      And you know she chose her rapist specifically to have sex with him how? Are you a mind reader, perhaps? Have you not heard of the concept of “dates,” where one goes to meet a person to decide whether they like them or not? A date does NOT equal a request to be brutally sexually attacked. You are a sick and twisted individual if you think it does.

  • StephanieJCW

    He didn’t fail as a father when she was raped. He failed as a father when he responded the way he did.

  • StephanieJCW

    I am genuinely shocked as to why Tinder is “like walking though a dark alley” yet meeting a guy in a bar, a coffee shop, on RSVP is ok? It’s the same process, meet someone you like and go on a date with them. Are people like Em below and your friend Alex saying women shouldn’t go on dates? Or only meet up with men who come with a personal recommendation from a friend? How would we even date?!

  • Boo93

    You’ve put into words every abstract thought I’ve had about violence, sexual or otherwise against women I’ve had in my head these last few weeks. In fact A few weeks ago I had to point out to a male friend of mine that at 1 am, he can walk down to his local service station and if anything, be worried about being in a fight. Any time of the day or night, a woman can go out and be raped or hurt. Putting the garbage out in the dark, I freak out. Walking to my car in a darkened parking garage, even at school pick up time? I have my hand on my phone just in case. Any time I get in my car alone I make sure to lock my doors.

    It’s a constant fear that no matter where we are or what we do, we could be the next statistic. It’s not fair that it’s not seen as something that needs to be done about men, but as something we have to live with and try to remain safe in spite of.

    I do not want to be the next Jill Meaghre or Stephanie Scott. I want to live my life without being frightened that next time that guy I’m alone in the lift with won’t be harmless.

    Statistically it’s not a probability because it’s mostly those known to the victim, but still, why do we have to live with the fear?

  • Em

    I’m sorry – I agree with the father. Didn’t our parents always tell us ‘don’t talk to strangers’ and “don’t talk to people you don’t know online”? And now all these ‘apps’ and ‘websites’ are out that require us doing just that? You don’t know these people from a bar of soap – anything could happen. This girl didn’t seem to take any precautions (nothing was mentioned) such as telling someone exactly where you were going, meeting in a public place, taking a friend with you. Why? I am not victim blaming, I fully believe rapists are the problem, but I believe people (not just women, as men get raped too) need to take responsibility for THEIR actions too. To me it’s the exact same as leaving your car/front door open and then being surprised when you’re robbed. Yes it’s the robbers fault – but did you take the necessary precautions to make a robbery harder to attempt? No. Yes, rapists shouldn’t rape – but do we control their actions? No. We only control ourselves – and I believe we need to do so practically in order to protect ourselves.

    • liz24

      If you never talked to strangers you would never meet anyone new. The only person to blame for rape is the rapist.

    • StephanieJCW

      It’s an incredibly prejudiced view towards Tinder and the people who use it. At it’s root Tinder is a dating site. “Talking to strangers” is how many people meet their partner. Which turns into a date, then several and then maybe more or nothing.

      To blame the victim for using a date site is beneath contempt. That goes for the father AND you. It also shows an incredibly low opinion of the average male.

  • RClare

    Whilst I don’t agree at all with the fathers first response, I understand it. Men’s first reactions are to try and fix things and find solutions. Therefore his first thought was “I told you not to use that site”. Whereas a woman’s first reaction would be emotional and sympathetic like “Oh my god are you ok?”. Unfortunately its just the way men and women are biologically different.

    • synique

      Blaming the daughter for going on Tinder was not finding a solution nor fixing anything. Fixing things would be calling the cops and getting her medical treatment.

  • Toni

    It’s true. Here in Australia the Politicians are so obsessed with Terrorism, yet the the real Terrorists causing real terror and violence are men against women and for that matter men against men. Men’s violence doesn’t have any political currency, and until it does, nothing will change. The agents are men, however paradoxically instead as being seen as aggressors, they are seen as victims of societies pressures. It really is sickening. The Lockhart murder suicide was a paradigm case. The justifications are deeply ingrained in the Australian geist. It’s simply and painfully wrong.